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The first man?!?


Hi everyone,

I need your help because I am stuck in Idaho and do not have access to a Christian Library. There is this guy that is saying the Bible proves there were men before Adam.

His claim is that men were made by God in Genesis 1:26 then in Genesis 2:15 God chose a man to be the start of a new race of men.

Now I ain't no scholar but it sounds wrong to me, I just don't know how to respond to him. Can anyone here help me?

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There are many skeptics who like to claim that there are two creation accounts in Genesis, but it's simply not true. Genesis 1 gives a general overview, which is spelled out in greater detail in Genesis 2. I think the same answer should clear up your friend's confusion.
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James Long Said:

Hi everyone,

I need your help because I am stuck in Idaho and do not have access to a Christian Library. There is this guy that is saying the Bible proves there were men before Adam.

His claim is that men were made by God in Genesis 1:26 then in Genesis 2:15 God chose a man to be the start of a new race of men.

Now I ain't no scholar but it sounds wrong to me, I just don't know how to respond to him. Can anyone here help me?



Genesis 1:26 & 27 Says
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2: 5-7 & 15 says
 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.


 James if you will notice in Genesis 1 God made man in HIS own Image. HE says let us make man in our own Image. This is the Image of the Holy Trinity which is Father, Son, & Holy Ghost and at That Time all three were Spiritual. So GOD made man in HIS own Image Body, Mind, & Spirit but all three were Spiritual!

  In Genesis 2 GOD looked upon the Earth and there was no man to till the soil because GOD had not yet made a physical body for man and man was still Spiritual. So GOD formed an Earthly or Physical Body out of the Dust of the Earth because a man had to be physical if he was to till the soil. Then HE breathed the Breath of Life into man and he became a living soul. ( the breath of life was the first man which was totally Spiritual and GOD placed it in Man and He became a living breathing Human on Earth.
  Now to completly understand this we need to look at some other scriptures.


  Genesis 3: 17-19
 17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

 18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

 7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


Now this becomes even clearer because the body returns to dust but the spirit returns to GOD who gave it.


1 Corinthians 15: 42-57
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 Now this last set of scriptures is lengthy but it explains that this body of dust cannot enter Heaven it is Earthy so all who are alive will be changed in a twinkling of the eye and our bodies will be like JESUS'S Body and we shall be incorruptible and the dead shall be raised incorruptible.

 So maybe this will clear up why there is what seems to be two men made by GOD.
The first is spiritual, the second is made of dust and will perish but the first lives forever either in GOD'S Presence or in Eternal Damnation.
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Interesting theory, but it doesn't seem to add up to me. In Genesis 1:27, it says He created both male and female. Then, in Genesis 2:18, the Bible goes into greater detail, on man being alone, and the creation of woman.
Now, if He had already created both male and female in spiritual form, why would man be given a physical body, but not the woman? Why search all the animals for a companion for man, and where was the woman's spirit at that point?

I believe when man was made, he was made completely, both body and spirit on the sixth day.
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There are many skeptics who like to claim that there are two creation accounts in Genesis, but it's simply not true. Genesis 1 gives a general overview, which is spelled out in greater detail in Genesis 2. I think the same answer should clear up your friend's confusion.


I agree, It's just a matter of the scripture repeating what was already said;...
As we know, Genesis was written by Moses, and back then, as you notice reading along in the scriptures, they repeated themselves.
They would say something, change the subject a bit then pick back up but repeating what they had already said, usually word for word.

Same thing in the NT.



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JPII's Theology of the Body
All scriptural references included.

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praying4patience says:

JPII's Theology of the Body
All scriptural references included.

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The text is to small for these old eyes to reademoticon Guess I'll have to break down and download Opera *sigh*

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im over 50 and that means one thing:bifocals.
if you do have difficulty reading some print you may have to do what i do from time to time.Copy/paste the doc to word pad and increase the font size.
i never needed glasses either so the bifocals was an after 40 thing.
Seems our eyes can change after 40.
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Whoops, I never did come back to say thank you for your help on this one. I meant to, honest, I just got distracted.. can you forgive me?

P4P, I look forward to the day God says enough of this and gives me a new body emoticon

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Life was pretty easy for Adam don't you think? After all, all he had to do on day six was name all the animals God created emoticon

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