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Dunk sprinkle or wash?


I believe in baptism by immersion but I know some mighty fine Methodist that say sprinkling is ok and I have been to a church that uses a washcloth and call it baptism!

So what about it, which is right or does it make a difference?

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Matthew 3:15-17 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 I believe that this shows us that JESUS was dunked and that is how I think it should be done. However when I accepted JESUS as my Lord and Savior in a Baptist Church I was dunked. A few years later as a teenager I joined the Methodist Church. I asked to be dunked so the preacher made some arrangements with the local Baptist Church and I was dunked on Easter Sunday at 2:00 PM by the Methodist Minister with The Baptist Minister looking on. About 6 or 7 years after that I rejoined the Baptist Church and was dunked again.
 So you can see that I believe in being dunked, however the thief on the cross to my knowledge was never baptised and no where does it say that you have to be. But it is a public sign of faith and salvation to be baptised

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Pastor Junior wrote:
 I believe that this shows us that JESUS was dunked and that is how I think it should be done. However when I accepted JESUS as my Lord and Savior in a Baptist Church I was dunked. A few years later as a teenager I joined the Methodist Church. I asked to be dunked so the preacher made some arrangements with the local Baptist Church and I was dunked on Easter Sunday at 2:00 PM by the Methodist Minister with The Baptist Minister looking on. About 6 or 7 years after that I rejoined the Baptist Church and was dunked again.



I'm just curious why you felt the need to be dunked three separate times. I've always being taught that you would only need to be obedient in baptism one time.

I believe in complete immersion, but I would wonder whether that would be appropriate for a frail 99 year old convert who might have health issues with getting immersed. I think in that case, God would understand a sprinkling.
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I was curious about being baptised more than once myself. I could understand it if you are coming from a group that says you must be baptised to be saved and you are going to a group that teaches baptism as a act of obedience to God but why would you do it again if the group you are leaving believes the same as the group you are joining?

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Pastor Junior wrote:
 I believe that this shows us that JESUS was dunked and that is how I think it should be done. However when I accepted JESUS as my Lord and Savior in a Baptist Church I was dunked. A few years later as a teenager I joined the Methodist Church. I asked to be dunked so the preacher made some arrangements with the local Baptist Church and I was dunked on Easter Sunday at 2:00 PM by the Methodist Minister with The Baptist Minister looking on. About 6 or 7 years after that I rejoined the Baptist Church and was dunked again.


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I'm just curious why you felt the need to be dunked three separate times. I've always being taught that you would only need to be obedient in baptism one time.

I believe in complete immersion, but I would wonder whether that would be appropriate for a frail 99 year old convert who might have health issues with getting immersed. I think in that case, God would understand a sprinkling.
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Back when I done this I was young and not real well versed in the scriptures and felt that as I was changing denominations that I should be baptised in that church but even though the Methodist Church believed in sprinkling I believed in being fully immersed in the water thus three baptisms.

 I believe that we are to follow Christ example in being immersed but there is no requirement to be baptised in order to be saved. Example the thief on the cross. I therefore believe that if being immersed was a health risk that GOD would understand and sprinkling would suffice. I believe that there are going to be many people in Heaven that were sprinkled or received no physical baptism, but are Christians anyway.
 
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I was raised Catholic and they do infant sprinkling but call it baptism. I know now that doesn't count because I was an infant and didn't know what was going on. I was baptized in a river in 2004.
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Hasah wrote:

I was raised Catholic and they do infant sprinkling but call it baptism. I know now that doesn't count because I was an infant and didn't know what was going on. I was baptized in a river in 2004.



Some Protestant churches practice infant baptism as well but they change the focus. Instead of being a baptism requested by the person in obedience to God they do this as an act of the babies consecration to God by the parents. (yeah I know this doesn't really fit the discussion but....)

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I just got babtized last month for the second time at the Church of Christ. I did this because I felt The first babtism may not have been done right, both in my part or the churches part. On my part, becuase I was young and did not know how to repent. On the churches part becuase it was a oneness type pentecostal church. I know some people think that the Churches of Christ believe in batismal regeneration. This is simply not true. The Churches of Christ believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins once and for all. They also believe we are to be obedient to God's word. First we must hear the word, second we must believe in God, third we must put our faith in God, fourth we must repent of our sins, fifth we must confess Jesus as Lord, fifth we must be fully immersed in water (babtism). Acts 2:38 peter says we must repent and be babtized in Jesus name for remission of sins. So Jesus has done his part and there is our part to do, that is in obedience to Gods word. Many people discard what man needs to do or limit it. Some say repentance is needed and thats all. Some say believeing is all that is needed. We really need to read the bible and see what we actually should do. If you take into account that believing or repentance is something a man needs to do, babtism must follow in order to be obedient to Gods word. It really does not stop there though as we must continue to be obedient to God. emoticon

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While we should preach that all people are commanded to repent and be baptized (Acts 2:38), adding any other requirement to salvation by grace becomes "works" in disguise.
Even though numerous Scriptures speak of the importance of water baptism, adding anything to the work of the cross demeans the sacrifice of the Savior. It implies that His finished work wasn’t enough. But the Bible makes clear that we are saved by grace, and grace alone,

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
--Ephesians 2:8-9

Baptism is simply a step of obedience to the Lord following our repentance and confession of sin. Our obedience--water baptism, prayer, good works, fellowship, witnessing, etc.--issues from our faith in Christ. Salvation is not what we do, but Who we have.

"He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life"
1 John 5:12

Mark 16:16 quotes Jesus as saying: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" (NKJV). Does this mean that salvation is by baptism?

"In no way does this verse establish baptism as a condition for salvation; it is merely the declaration that those who believe and are baptized are saved. Any act of obedience to the Lord could be added after the expression 'whoever believes' and it would remain a true statement, because salvation is the result of faith in Christ.

It should be noted that when the Lord added, 'but whoever does not believe will be condemned,' there is no mention of baptism. In identifying what would bring about condemnation, Jesus did not say that 'whoever believes but is not baptized shall not be save.' If baptism were necessary for salvation, there are many significant verses which should be amended to read 'you are saved through faith and baptism.' It is clear that faith in Jesus Christ is what saves a person (Acts 16:30-31; Eph. 2:8-9).

Baptism is a distinct act of obedience, apart from salvation. This is clarified by the order in which the words 'believe' and 'baptize' occur in the text (cf. Acts 2:38; 10:44-48). Baptism with the Spirit places believers into the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:13), while water baptism merely signifies to others that a person has professed Christ.

The word 'saved' is translated from the Greek word sesosmenoi, which is a perfect passive participle. It means that this salvation took place at some point in the past, being accomplished by Jesus Christ Himself, and is continuing on in the present."

Are people trusting feelings, rather than God's Word, for assurance of salvation? "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." (John 3:36).
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, he has crossed over from death to life." (John 5:24).
"Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." (John 1:12).
"He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy." (Titus 3:5a).
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9).
"And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." (1 John 5:11-13).
"I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile." (Romans 1:16).
"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in the present age..." (Titus 2:11-12).

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I believe salvation is only though Jesus christ also. See many times scripture is not read into its full context. One example would be ephesians 8, and 9 put that scripture back into context by reading verse 10 and you see what I mean. We must walk in the ways God ordained. emoticon

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